Cloud Metro & the Future of Sustainable Networking

0:00 foreign

0:06 as the new Edge where connectivity distributed cloud and customer experiences converge Metro networks face

0:13 traffic growth of 500 percent that by 2027 amid these conditions operators

0:18 can't sustain the current cost per bit of Service delivery here to tell us how

0:23 we can apply Cloud principles to networks while enabling sustainable business growth with future-proof

0:30 systems architectures and AI enabled automation as a service are telefonica's

0:35 Diego Lopez we also have Mano lelanovis of Juniper

0:40 Networks and last we have Terry Jensen that with telenor and gentlemen welcome to the program

0:47 um so Diego I hope you don't mind I'm going to start with you so how important is sustainability for your Technology

0:53 Innovation strategy and is it mostly in the charter of really corporate ESG or

0:58 has it become an important consideration for let's say vendor selection product roadmap development social

1:04 responsibility and of course cost reduction well currently is becoming more and more

1:10 important and is part of a normal uh procurement practices

1:16 we have uh we started the journey towards uh enhancing the sustainability

1:22 of like in general a long time ago when we started our program of of measure

1:28 virtualization and civilization um and and right now we are we are addressing the different aspects of our

1:35 sustainability in some cases they are well Advanced and they're very much connected to the as I said with the with

1:41 the government practices in other cases we are still trying to evaluate

1:47 how to um apply or request the the

1:53 results of the of the evaluation of the different Technologies we have made so so yeah it's it's very important and

2:00 we're trying to apply as much as we are sure that we can request from our

2:07 um providers anterior Advantage anything you want to add to that before we move

2:12 on yeah if I may if I so of course sustainability is a very wide area I

2:18 think so it's addressing everything on social environmental and economics so it's all about people planet and the

2:23 purpose I guess so so uh and within that there's a lot of different things exactly what what Diego said so so uh so

2:31 that's about both on the Strategic level uh or of course on Executive levels we have set targets for example don't

2:37 climate what we want to achieve there we have also a set Targets on on uh on this science-based uh Targets this SPD and

2:45 also the engagement with suppliers there that means hoping the suppliers it needs

2:51 to be uh stating their their targets there as defined by the U.N so on and so on so so that's uh you know both on the

2:58 executives and operation levels on and it's very high and then of course you're using like Energy Efficiency directly

3:03 into the into the into the selection of our partners and also looking into of

3:09 course what comes as part of the product roadmaps both on the energy side but also support Ai and Automation and all those aspects

3:17 so I think there's a lot of factors and and if it's uh typically the organization uh on a number of levels so

3:22 no different aspects uh and uh so and it's it's exactly what Diego said I

3:28 think the importance of this is growing and you can just being in Barcelona I think for example a couple of months ago

3:35 and say that everyone was talking about climate and sustainability um Manos

3:40 much like Diego interior said I think Jennifer networks is also focusing actually emphasizing a lot on putting

3:48 um a lot of you know sustainable focus on Corporate social responsibility and

3:53 you know we have pledged you know carbon neutral commitments across Global operations by 2025 uh also a lot of

4:00 focus on sbti the science-based targets and how we can do actually better than our goals additionally if you look at

4:06 our offices Tunica office in Bangalore is nearly 100 solar powered headquarters is completely Leed certified we're using

4:13 100 composable compostable materials for everything for product packaging and a lot more efforts and sustainability will

4:20 talk so overall is a big Focus for Juniper Networks so Terry I know you just mentioned this

4:25 uh on sort of a 30 000 foot level but can you go into a little more detail on the aspects of sustainability that

4:31 you're focusing on really in this near term and long term yeah no thanks baby I think we can go

4:37 maybe to a couple of areas and as I said there are the number of areas and topics uh that are part of the of the under the

4:43 the headline of sustainability uh but one clear candidate of course is on the energy on the climate so so I think uh

4:50 if you're looking to tell Laura for example if I remember correctly it's roughly uh three quarter 75 to 80

4:57 percent over uh total emissions uh Wisconsin into the climate it's part of scope three uh so that means that you

5:04 know all the the what the suppliers are doing and what's happening there is very important to uh to to address as part of

5:11 part of this then of course energy our own and energy consumptions is is also very important and we'll probably come

5:18 back to that later in the session as well but uh roughly 90 percent uh all the total energy consumption in telenor

5:25 is is related to the networks uh meaning of course that uh consuming and all the

5:30 efficiency we can do there uh will uh will contribute to to states to sustainability and it's not only about

5:37 you know Energy Efficiency of the existing equipment what we have in operation but it's also quite important

5:44 to phase out Legacy systems call it old systems if you want so for example we

5:50 just decommission the copper Network in in Norway as one of the first incumbent

5:55 operators actually to to fully decommission that you can immediately see that on the on the energy

6:01 consumption uh we also are Switched Off have switched off 3G for example in in

6:07 three of the over eight countries and we're also facing out I.T systems for example which are also uh which are part

6:14 of the Legacy portfolio so of course these kind of things are also contributing to the to sustainability

6:20 and energy consumption in that sense then that's part of the others uh it's for example power purchasing Agreements

6:26 are are important to address which is then of course about the clean energy and the last part which is easily

6:32 forgotten is about the circular economy or reusing equipment recycling equipment which is also a quite important part of

6:39 it to you know make sure that all these rare Metals For example are are kept

6:45 into the to the new delivery so that's one part of the which is more than the energy on the and the climate part of it

6:52 the other side of climate uh we are of course also the hit by as an operator uh

6:58 is for example the racing sea levels uh more floods fires and all those things which is also important which is

7:05 probably the other side of the coin event way that uh that we need to to start looking into that uh and it's

7:11 interesting to see that for example we are in Bangladesh and foreign

7:18 countries is close to the Sea uh so that there is so so there's a high risk for

7:23 or impact from from racing sea level for example but the same goes into Thailand for example the and the Bangkok area

7:30 there so so there are quite a few countries which are potentially at risk when the when the sea levels are rising

7:36 for example so that's another aspect of course of climate which is also then of course linked to to sustainability uh

7:44 but of course the whole optimization of the of the Telco networks is another area which you probably are coming back

7:49 to and how we are redesigning and re-architecting the network in order to

7:54 uh to address this which is basically around the uh more the financial part of it on optimizing resources as I said and

8:01 also customer experience as as part of that then of course as I think you also raised earlier on the Innovation there

8:08 are a lot of Engagement there of course on Innovation uh and hope to uh to make

8:14 the the equipment smarter and also help to manage and operate the the equipment smarter and I think there's someone

8:21 calling the the statement like if there should be if there are zero uh bits there should be zero Watts which is not

8:27 really easy to to uh to deliver on uh but it requires quite a lot of innovation in order to uh to to try to

8:34 to to get to that level meaning that if there is no traffic there shouldn't be any energy consumed either so there are

8:42 quite a lot of things going on today we're using Automation and AI for example and uh and also of course the

8:47 simplification of uh of the whole setup and definitely also working closer with uh with Partners in in various aspects

8:54 I'm quite sure we will come back to some of these topics later in the session absolutely uh Manos back over to you and

9:01 Diego if you want to respond to this please do so so we've been hearing a lot about Cloud Metro the idea of really

9:07 applying Cloud principles to transform Metro networks can you share a bit more on the details of how that really

9:13 contributes to sustained sustainability so if you look at the general Cloud

9:20 Metro solution our focus is on you know sustainability in three different pillars one is architecture other is the

9:28 actual systems that's being deployed on the network and third is operations so if you look at architecture it's about

9:35 resource sharing which means that we can accomplish more with less it's also

9:41 about avoiding the resource duplication you know reducing the number of devices so if you look at you know architectural

9:47 capabilities like Network slicing IP Optical conversions we accomplish both

9:52 resource sharing as well as avoiding resource duplication which in turn means we're reducing the carbon footprint or

9:58 the carbon emissions second if you look at systems optimized system design is always good you know in

10:05 terms of you know reducing the utilization of power as well as space for instance according to the ACG research the Juniper Metro Cloud

10:12 Solutions today consume about 70 less power and saves about 64 more space

10:18 compared to a competitive solution so longer shelf life means it also reduces E-Waste again good for the planet good

10:25 for the environment and so on last but not least which is one of the areas which is a super interesting topic

10:31 for us which is that operations can be fundamentally changed with AI in these

10:36 days of chat GPT and everything is going on Juniper has been you know per you know one of the pioneers of AI in Cloud

10:42 delivered operations so Ai and Cloud delivered argument automation together can reduce the number of truck rolls

10:48 required you know no more worrying about problems you can proactively solve problems and in case when there are real

10:55 problems they cannot be proactively installed you avoid the truck roll by you know some of the automated operations so and also the next step is

11:03 basically look at turning off parts of the systems you know which are not being used you have a large system and in in

11:08 the nighttime part of the system is not being used can you shut it off so there's a lot of effort and research

11:13 we're putting in to make sure that this is possible today so this is these are the three areas we focused on in the

11:19 cloud Network solution which is getting rave reviews from our customers and from analysts well speaking of customers

11:25 Diego any any comment on that well when it comes to these the relative

11:31 to uh important aspects would you connect clouds and uh at the provision

11:37 of the uh of services at that as close to the uh to the users as possible

11:43 because first of all in that in those cases is when you have the highest density of equipment and where any

11:51 savings or whatever the nature of materials are on energy or we're talking let's say talking about Savings in Imani

11:58 are more intensive because simply the the multiplication of the number of devices of or virtual Appliance by the

12:06 number of uh of users that you are serving is is higher and to think that the cloud-like

12:15 approach uh brings is on on the one hand is much better granularity and the

12:21 decisions that you make with with respect with whatever the the sustainability it's not the same that

12:27 you have a big box that you have to switch on and off and it's the only option that you have then what you have

12:33 is a number of software pieces that you can decide to activate the activate run

12:39 under certain conditions Etc this is one thing the second thing that is important and I'm not sure that we have mentioned

12:45 this before is about the possibility of taking advantage as well of of a circular economy approaches that allows

12:53 you to reuse searching uh um equipment or sitting iron that otherwise would be

13:01 the commission for certain uh services that probably are not so much demanding

13:07 of uh of a high performance in some aspects and that allows allows you to

13:13 reuse and extend their lifetime of the of the uh of the physical elements that

13:20 would require you know of uh rarer so or or materials that are

13:27 closely in all terms to produce um Terry now over to you and man knows

13:33 if you want to respond to this please do us do so as well uh so Edge Edge Cloud new traffic patterns and new

13:39 Partnerships are really all contributing to the sustainability objective so when you look at different parts of the

13:45 networks which uh which part of that uh could have really the biggest opportunity to contribute to the

13:51 sustainability objective and why no I think uh that's uh at least from

13:57 from uh we see it as a network operator access I think Diego mentioned that as well access is clearly the the main

14:03 consumer of energy is clearly at least so uh if I remember correctly there was

14:09 a gsma study on this uh from mobile operator of course and so they concluded

14:15 that based on that input of course that the base stations that means that the radio part of it typically consumes

14:21 something between uh 65 to 80 percent of the total energy all the all the network

14:27 uh so so of course that will be the the main part to try to optimize further on

14:33 the on how to do this and there are various ways to do that I think the egg also mentioned it but basically it's

14:39 around trying to optimize of course the the emitted energy that it hits the uh

14:44 or or or it reaches also the relevant users in the most effective way and then

14:50 switch off other kind of uh either beams or Spectrum the plants for example or or

14:57 even equipment if that's needed so optimizing the base stations is clearly one of the one of the things there and

15:04 there as I said I think also Diego mentioned that there are AI algorithms to do that for example uh there are of

15:11 course very important to to uh to face out uh and short of old equipment

15:16 because in every kind of new generations and this is not only 2G 3G 4G

15:22 Generations but it's also about the radio and cheap Generations it comes with a energy Improvement so so it's

15:28 important to to uh to to have an eye on that so so of course clearly access and

15:33 then of course Metro and and aggregation or the or the main sources of uh of

15:39 energy so so what we are doing of course is that as I said there are there's energy optimization to to uh to look

15:45 into but it's also back to the question about the traffic and how to steer and and control and optimize the the

15:52 resources there and I think also so Diego mentioned that it's it's very important to as we see it at least to to

15:59 try to manage that as close to the source as possible and then we are working with with Enterprises for

16:06 example uh on on the mobile private Network and Edge Cloud which are uh one

16:12 a couple of ways to uh to handle the traffic local and locally means for

16:17 example it could be could be with on the premises but it could also be you know local in the terms of regional uh so uh

16:25 so we have some cases for example with the commercially with the at the prices where they are connecting quite a lot of

16:31 high definition cameras uh which they're then using for uh for processing the the

16:37 the video for example recognizing objects or recognizing people moving dangerous areas and so forth and of

16:44 course these HD cameras generate several megabits per second each of them so when

16:49 you have maybe a few tens of these cameras on a certain area or even on a say for example in smart smart 4K so

16:57 like on a single Crane and you have 20 cranes for example you can just do the mathematics yourself from homework

17:02 traffic uh we'll come out of that then it's important to do this video analysis for example very local meaning on the

17:09 premises of the port for example so that's another example of try to keep the traffic locally and and to avoid

17:15 that you are spending more resources from the network than we have to do because uh a reason for that is uh quite

17:22 a lot of those those video streams are actually not really containing any information uh so so we have a I have

17:29 people start laughing uh sometimes when I talk about a fish farm in case we are doing for example where we're actually using uh cameras submerged into the

17:37 water to to recognize this fish uh and and it's actually a complete uh uh

17:43 mandatory from the government uh requirements from the fish farms that have to report the percentage of dead

17:49 fish for example and Homo anilysis there are on each of the fish as an average at

17:54 least they have to do regularly and typically so far they have done this manually meaning lifting the fish out of

18:00 the sea starting counting and so on so you can do this automatically and of course A lot of these video frames are

18:06 not really containing the information you need so you just need to throw away more than 99 actually of the video

18:12 information so so it will be a really a waste to you know carry all those video frames uh we would say into the to the

18:19 Central site and then throw away the information so so uh just a simple example on the traffic and resource

18:25 optimization I think Diego also mentioned that so it's a key one of the key areas to how to manage this manage

18:32 anything to add like teria mentioned I think things have changed in the last decade or so before

18:39 before the last decade the traffic pattern also says that you know the backbone or the core of the network was

18:44 where the majority of the traffic was and to the point which was discussed earlier has more and more things and way

18:49 towards the edge the traffic now has increased in the access part of the network it's in the radio Access Network

18:54 it's in the Metro Network so the with the traffic pattern shift the focus on the radio Access Network as well as the

19:01 axis you know Metro network uh to make it more energy efficient has gone up because now in many ways you know access

19:09 is the new core on the new backbone so that shift has happened and a lot of focus is specifically on that so tend to

19:16 agree with tyrian Diego that this is where the world is going and that's where the focus is the other part is uh

19:22 as you have more and more services being delivered out of centralized clouds you know whether it's hyperscaler cloud or

19:27 service provider Edge cloud or whatnot there is a increasing need for making sure that sustainability is in a printed

19:34 Center as we scale out these large servers and storage systems and I think that's a big Focus which uh meaning for

19:39 Cloud Florida customers are focused on and we're supporting them so D.A go over to you and you touched on

19:45 this already Ontario went into a little bit as well so let's talk about the role uh that Network automation plays and how

19:51 does AI Ops and Cloud deliver Technologies really enhance uh these benefits Diego

19:58 well this the uh this kind of approach to a sustainability optimization and the

20:06 reduction of all uh the uh indicators that imply a cost

20:14 in terms especially in terms of of energy and to to support these

20:20 sustainability goals that we were talking about required some degree of automation

20:25 um whatever we're talking about I'm not uh personally I'm not sure that it needs a

20:33 very high degree of of intelligence in many cases that we have already have in

20:39 the in the Telco industry and elsewhere mechanisms to apply automation Loops

20:47 that are not necessarily I mean that don't require the approach based on a neural network or a deep deep learning

20:55 or whatever in many cases this can be done with a simple automation techniques

21:02 I'm talking simple because or let's say well known techniques in which one we

21:07 are playing is basically all an algorithms or algorithmic approaches or

21:12 or in the best in the most complicated cases on some kind of heuristics by uh

21:17 by rules provided by experts Etc it's true that there are decisions that well

21:25 more than this there are problem spaces that we have no

21:30 not explored yet and that AIA allows us to consider this so I would say just to

21:37 summarize automation is essential AI to achieve the goals that we can

21:46 foresee for the for the short term probably AI is not so essential but for

21:52 sure it is worth exploring what AI can bring in the future to uh to provide

21:59 new Solutions or to address behaviors that for us are where we we are limited

22:06 the same the same way that we are limited in other in other aspects and we rely on on the help of in other

22:14 intelligent systems or other intelligent beings like dogs horses or or whatever

22:21 Terry anything to add to that no I think uh of course from our side uh

22:28 we think automation is is very very important uh it's also aiming for for fully automated to the extent that that

22:34 can be can be done of course there are typically you know we are working on the in the physical business as well there

22:40 are always uh or typically some equipment to be shipped uh requires some typically some manual intervention

22:46 that's all but we are aiming for for a full uh full truly automated uh all the

22:51 processes not only on technical side but also uh on the financial and HR so so it's important not to to uh to forget

22:59 about this process is uh and it's also the reason why we are doing it is uh

23:05 that we see that the customers uh expectations are changing they are actually expecting us to deliver Services quicker uh than than than

23:14 before so meaning that they need to support self-service and and a lot of these processes and then of course needs

23:21 to be carried out uh freely or automatically through all these systems

23:26 so I think and we also of course want to embrace and embed AI into all the steps

23:32 where that is relevant and I think that what's this uh Diego was also saying is so so it needs to make a difference of

23:39 course uh we all claim of course to be smart but sometimes it could be you know help to get some AI smartness into that

23:46 to supplement our smartness so so so uh and it's uh particular when you talk about you know processing a lot of data

23:52 and information and finding patterns which which might not be easy to find with uh with a simple uh ice for example

24:00 but uh so so but it needs to of course be a value from from using air but automation yes of course exactly what

24:06 they are Diego will say manage anything you want to add I already tested topic earlier on you

24:13 know Ai and automation how it helps to you know reduce the carbon footprint by you know reducing the truck rules you

24:19 know turning off parts of the system which is not in use you know it saves on energy and all of that stuff but I want to also touch a different topic which is

24:26 you know all of service providers today faced a shortage of skill staff it's one of the

24:32 biggest challenges as we are going through a very you know sort of a aging technical Workforce and the expectation

24:39 to have more from the network and with this change automation AI has a huge

24:44 role to play you know for for example you know you want to have your people work on your staff work on the smart

24:52 work right so with respect to Ai and Cloud delivered automation can simplify many of the mundane work streams and

24:58 freeze up your valuable stuff for more you know creative creation service creation projects uh so that's one uh

25:06 the other part is a and automation you know will enable you to do things you know have Services up and running in

25:11 minutes compared to hours and weeks before so securely scale your stream and

25:17 streamlining your workloads is actually accomplishable now with AI and automation uh last but not least I would

25:24 always say that it's all about reducing the trouble tickets at the end of the day when you look at operations it's not just the

25:30 service getting the service up and running it's also about operating the network and operating the network is where service providers run into the

25:36 largest problem sometimes from Human errors sometimes vendor errors and so on so if you can actually proactively use

25:43 AI where you can practically solve the problems when you're the problems before they happen you actually Save A Lot on

25:50 the operational efficiency and at the end of the day the end user experience is also enhanced so that's an area which

25:56 a and automation can really help Beyond sustainability so I wanted to finish the program with

26:03 some of somewhat of a futurist question um and I'll start with Terry uh we'll go over to Diego and then we'll have Nano's

26:09 rap wrap the program for so the question is this Terrier is Network sustainability as top of mind or Clearly

26:15 Now top of Mind across the ecosystem do you think the progress tour is really a

26:21 self-driving a sustainable network is moving at a pace that telenor fines

26:26 acceptable and what can we do to accelerate this pace I think it's uh it's almost uh hard to

26:33 say that uh you know it's fully acceptable with this uh with the speed of it because uh uh so we would uh I

26:40 think accelerate in in that sense given that of course we see automation clearly as uh one of the most to uh and but

26:48 having said that I think we have post 70 uh the process already automated and we

26:53 are using AI for example as we also refer to in the previous question on the in a number of steps there so it's not

26:59 like we we're starting with with blank sheets uh that uh but but of course uh

27:05 it's uh typically you know we start with automating some of the simpler processes and some of the more hard ones are you

27:12 are pushing a bit so so there are more the more more to do there and and uh so so uh I think it's very very important

27:19 to to see that of course in in automation you need to really take an end-to-end view so you are really

27:24 automating the the processes all the way from the customer engagement all the way to as you said think it was mentioned

27:31 trouble ticketing and under and he's even being proactive so you can even avoid

27:36 otgs or at least maybe notifying customers at once that something is going to happen uh and so so it's very

27:42 very important that we get managed to get to those levels and and to do that it's of course it's uh it's still quite

27:50 a lot to do I think uh on in particular when it comes to the engagement and the proactiveness and the reason why we need

27:57 to to move in that direction is as I said before is that the customer expectations are changing quite a lot

28:02 they are they are moving uh moving beyond this you know you just deliver a SIM card and some coverage on some some

28:09 basic mobile connectivity to actually they have a request for for uh enjoying

28:14 the service in terms of you know experience they want a complete solution he won't trust it uh and there are quite

28:21 a few elements that need to be in place in order to to match the customer experience in in that sense and then of

28:27 course it should be delivered instantly and also personalized uh which again is actually asking for automation clearly

28:33 to uh to to do this so so I think there requires uh quite a few other steps there to uh to do and I think one of the

28:40 one of the challenges we see is that of course there are a non-typical number of Partners or or suppliers who needs to

28:46 come together to cover the real end-to-end scope here uh meaning that it needs to be interoperability across

28:52 different partners uh a meaning also that they for example say an information models needs to be understood in the

28:58 same way and outside the industry I think we are still have a bit to go there to uh to harmonize even the

29:04 understanding of information modeling and and what is the value or or even sorry what is the understanding of

29:11 different kpis for example from from different uh different equipment so so clearly there there's there's still a

29:17 way to go there I think which we also would like to see of course that these are resolved in a collaborate manner

29:23 within the industry and also together with other Industries I think what we see that we need to collaborate with

29:29 Enterprises for example because as I said we take for example private networks then we are really delivering

29:34 connecting sensors which are used for for business critical processes in other

29:40 Industries so so you also need to be play a part of their value chain which

29:45 then comes with our their expectations on the automation so it's not only automation within the quality Telco

29:52 vertical anymore but it's also automation across different Industries and this is just something I think we

29:58 have quite a bit to uh to go there in order to get to that level so Diego uh telefonica happy again with

30:06 the pace of the sustainability objective at this point well in terms of uh I would say that in

30:14 terms of the technology and the different technologies that we're trying to apply and the collaboration with our partners and customers on this

30:21 it would say yes we are the technology is evolving in a in a way that these well I would say

30:29 that's much better than acceptable signage account that we're talking about very

30:34 um this highly distributed extremely pervasive infrastructures then you

30:40 cannot change overnight I mean something that takes time because it takes time simply because we have to reach for far

30:47 places and making the changes there as well in that sense I I believe that this

30:52 is something that we are progressing well probably we could go faster

30:59 and but there are to us one has two aspects that Talia has mentioned that

31:05 they think are very important when it's uh regarding going B Jones simply

31:10 applying automation or or AI or whatever to networks and only networks but the

31:16 possibility of collaborating with other Industries and the possibility of uh of uh addressing some of the problems

31:23 regarding sustainability of the of in general technology and Industrial

31:30 progress in the future with a holistic view this is one thing and this is very

31:35 much connected to a term that now is being coined well it's being mentioned once and again here at least in Europe

31:41 in the uh in the several UH 60 Flagship projects about going Beyond connectivity

31:47 when we're talking about networks this is one thing uh the the uh the other thing is the

31:55 need for having a clear understanding of what we're measuring and how we are

32:00 exchanging information among the different elements and we're talking about automation we're talking about the

32:08 knowledge in fact we're talking about the Aisa that are collaborating how this is exchanged

32:14 and there is a third aspects of this it may be very much connected to these and

32:19 this uh it's where we are not progressing well as usual with just when it comes to regulation I mean the Telco

32:26 environment is extremely regulated and and there is a problem and right now

32:31 that is becoming even worse because we are we are witnessing a Progressive

32:37 convergence of what has been there well that's in the in the past in the past

32:42 the uh the the the line that separated the nature from the I.T and right now we

32:49 are witnessing an aggressive convergence of of cloud and Network and it's quite uneven that whatever it

32:58 can be considered as cloud is certainly well it's certainly is it's a it's a

33:05 it's a Brownfield one you can do whatever you want and the other ones uh well whenever you call it the network

33:12 you are under a strict scrutiny strict regulation where these words is here

33:18 General perception in the industry that there are steps that can be dangerous to

33:24 be taken if you take them just because you don't know how things are gonna are

33:29 gonna impact from the regulatory side I believe that regulation has to evolve much more

33:36 accordingly to the technology Evolution has to be matched faster and for sure

33:42 much much leaner as well to facilitate this this progress

33:49 and manage how to wrap the show again uh Juniper Network's perspective on the

33:54 sustainability objective and really the pace that it's moving industry-wide first and foremost I think the

34:01 self-driving network is going to be a reality in a decade or so and that is the mission for us make things easy make

34:08 sure there is end users have the best experiences possible from an leadership is securing that should be the number

34:14 one goal so sustainability goes hand in hand with that because if you look at what happened in the whole evolution of

34:21 Uber or Lyft or whatnot it actually automation played a huge role and

34:26 Automation and making it easy for people actually draw the benefits which came through you know employing a different

34:33 set of folks instead of the traditional taxi drivers the same kind of transformation is what's going to happen

34:39 with the focus on sustainable networks which is as as long as the vendors are all

34:45 subscribing to Common apis which makes it easy for service providers to build systems around it and then service

34:50 providers can focus on leveraging itsm systems which are more common rather than creating their own cookie cutter

34:56 stuff all of these will drive to more commonality and more automation as

35:01 somebody said anything that can be automated will get automated right and when that happens and then you you know

35:08 you share you actually embrace things like the large language models um where more work can be done by

35:15 machines it automatically can help with the overall you know Energy Efficiency

35:21 and how we actually build systems so to me Automation and AI obstacles had in hand with energy and sustainability

35:27 because humans cannot do it by themselves you must need the help of machines need the help of Automation and

35:33 aarps right so leverage that it's not an enemy right because humans can focus on

35:39 more higher work if the mundane work can be done by machine teams in AI so and

35:44 the combination of the two will drive to more you know sustainable goals as an industry so I just want to touch that

35:50 different angle to sustainable you I remember in the past uh when I say the past I mean the last five years or so

35:56 that you know there were some high priority sort of top of Mind topics that we focused on uh primarily around

36:03 anything that can be monetized but there were a couple topics that we didn't necessarily focus on one of them was

36:08 security or network security and now that's so much more top of mind and we are talking about it as we should

36:15 um and then the other one is Energy Efficiency and sustainability so I feel like I know that's coming to the fore as

36:20 well as far as thought leadership and making it top of mind is top priority so

36:25 I wanted to thank all four of you for Lending us your time Diego Lopez with telefonica over in Spain and what's a

36:31 little bit later for you over there but we appreciate your time and uh visiting with us and giving us your perspective

36:38 you know we we are fond of late evening so that's uh it's okay more than okay and it was a pleasure now we appreciate

36:45 it and uh teria uh always glad to have you on the program we had you as you

36:50 mentioned uh back in Barcelona a couple months ago in person and now of course virtually and then I'm sure next time we

36:56 see you we'll be in person again so we appreciate your time as well um so thanks a lot thanks a lot Dave and

37:01 thanks for inviting pleasure we appreciate it and Manos uh certainly

37:07 great to have you on the program we haven't had you before certainly Juniper Networks is a big supporter of the

37:12 network Media Group but you in particular we haven't uh had a chance to speak to you so we appreciate your time and uh I want to say a special thank you

37:19 to Juniper Networks as well and anybody uh listening on this on this session at the moment that we appreciate your

37:25 support and uh wouldn't be able to do this session today without Juniper's uh uh support so thank you so much for that

37:33 thank you for having me on the panel thank you manage and uh to our audience out there and our speakers on cloud

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37:46 so long foreign